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, for an obama bailout. so, who is next? california, illinois, good question. raise tax rates on the rich or no deal. yeah, the line has been drawn again. president obama says america is poised to take off, but only if the republicans agree to tax the rich directly. he will only accept higher tax rates. how will speaker boehner respond to that? he speaks within the hour. and how about this, top anchors at a news network visit the white house for a cozy chat with the president. tell us, mr. president, how can we sell your tax the rich policy? citigroup, 11,000 jobs gone. "varney & company" about to begin. having you shipy gifts couldn't be easier. well, having a ton of locations doesn't hurt. and a santa to boot! [ chuckles ] right, baby. oh, sir. that is a customer. oh...sorry about that. [ me announcer ] break from e holiday stress fedex office. >> we'll begin with sad news. dame elizabeth mother of news corporation chairman and chief executive rupert murdoch died at age 103. news point company fox. now sad news. and he's raised tax rates and he was elected based on his tax the rich pol
to understand. you are saying then for pr purposes, they should give into obama on the tax rate. >> not exactly. well, yeah, i guess i am -- >> you're saying obama, who is -- we don't have a revenue problem, ann. >> we lost the election, sean. gerri: what do you think of this? as a strategy, maybe it's the right thing? acknowledge that the american people voted for the president, put him back in office. it's all on you. >> well, it's simple, i think. republicans are cognizant of what the people said. the plan they put out raises revenue on rich people. they are asking for the president to give a response including both tax proposals and the spending proposals that are necessary to make the plan be balanced, and they'll negotiate from there, from the second day after the election, speaker boehner said we hear the american people, they want washington to work, that means compromise, leadership, but, you know, we're not seeing all the pieces yet. gerri: what do you think of the idea of saying, okay, democrats, it's on you. you want to raise taxes? you want to flirt with putting the economy into re
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a quarter of a million a year. if mr. obama and the democrats get their way, doing the deal to avoid raising the rates and avoiding the fiscal cliff, where all tax cuts and brakes expire at the end of the year. that is an election, popular at the end of the year, certainly give president obama a lot of clout right now. you can disagree or agree with the policy. that is for you to decide. republican tom cole of oklahoma happens to disagree strongly. at the same time, he recognizes the political reality that all tax cuts will expire on january one, and no one wants to raise taxes on what would amount to 98% of all the taxpayers. >> in my view, we agree we're not going to raise taxes on people that make more than $250,000, we should just take them out of this discuss right now. continue to fight against any rate increases and continue to fight for a much bigger deal. >> congressman cole joins us, the staunchly conservative editorial page of "the wall street journal is on board now. president obama's re-election means that taxes for upper income earners are going up one way or another. the quest
with president barack obama to raise rates on the rich that extend tax cuts for income below $250,000. with congress scrambling to avert the series of tax inincreasing and spending cuts due to cut in, should approve a deal ensuring that $98% of americans do not suffer a tax increase that endangers the economic recovery. that's from the national journal this morning. this is from the hill newspaper. that's where you lose us because we want to strengthen these programs, not let them die on the vine. again, that's from "the hill" newspaper. dixie is a republican in clinton, mississippi. what do you think? caller: good morning and thank you for taking my call. i think it is a surprise to me, and i cannot help but wonder why all the talk about increasing taxes, making cuts, and we need cuts, why the welfare is never addressed. we have people who are living like millionaires from welfare. they get free food, they get free housing, they get free schooling, they get -- the children get lunches two times a day at school. and they get all kind of benefits, but nothing is ever said about cut
that there is no mandate for raising tax rates. >> keeping them honest. president obama campaigned and won on letting taxes go up for the top earners. so his victory throws cold water on that claim. democrats gained seats in the senate and on the house. recent cnn polling shows that mosh than two in three people support tax hikes for the wealthy. it is something that republicans will be grapling with from now until new year's day. joining us is congressman cole, a republican. thank you for joining us. >> thank you. >> your proposal that republican lawmakers should agree with democrats, extend the tax breaks for those making $250,000 a year or less before the end of the year, deal with these tax rates for the wealthiest later, that's an idea that a lot of republicans are resisting. what kind of push back are you getting? >> i think the reaction is mixed. some support is. some don't. i think the issue is simple. i don't believe in raising tax rates on anybody. i think it's bad for the economy, bad for job creation. ultimately by slowing down growth cuts revenue. i think the president need to come to the tabl
of tax rates for the wealthy. obama insisting they go up, boehner insisting they don't. >> listen, this is not a game. jobs are on the line. the american economy is on the line. this is a moment for adult leadership. >> reporter: and taxes aren't the only sticking point. republicans are demanding the president come forward with a plan to limit spending on medicare and social security, something many democrats say is just not acceptable. >> i didn't have my own card with me. jill wouldn't let me have one. >> reporter: vice president biden got into the act today, too, taking a break from christmas shopping and snacking at costco to urge congress to extend middle class tax cuts. >> i think it's important congress acts now. i mean, right now. >> reporter: can mitt romney, with all his business experience, play a role on brokering a deal? well, don't count on it, diane. the president did not ask for his help today and the two simply agreed to keep in touch. and for now, nothing more. >> all right, thank you, jonathan karl. >>> and now, we move onto two towns that had reason to rejoice
in a news conference last month obama suggested he might let the top rate rise to levels somewhat lower than a 39.6%. that's the washington post this morning. below that, governors say the fiscal cliff would hurt their states' economies. several governors met at the white house yesterday and with political leaders to say something needs to be done or their economies and on the state level will be heard. -- be hurt. let's go to walter in new jersey, independent caller. good morning. caller: good morning. i don't know what's wrong with these people, because they have to come to some kind of agreement. the gop has to give ground, taxes wouldybody's go up just to save 2%. it just does not cut it. it is a bad move politically and bad for the country. host: polloi in johnsonville, virginia. -- floyd. caller: i was thinking about the fiscal cliff. i don't think that's the problem at. the problem is when we fell off the moral cliff. our president said gay marriage was ok. and america killing so many babies. side,e get back on god's everything else will take care of itself. that's the way it is. a gu
more than a quarter million dollars a year. mr. obama and the democrats get their way, doing a deal to raise just those rates would avoid the fiscal cliff, where all bush era tax cuts on all tack tax brackets expire at the ends of the year. the election, popular opinion and more give president obama a lot of clout right now. and you can agree or disagree with the president's policy. that's for you to decide. republican congressmen tom cole of oklahoma disagrees stronsly. at the same time, he recognizes the political reality that all tax cuts will expire on january 1st and no one wants to raise taxes on what would amount to 98% of all taxpayers. >> in my view, we all agree that we're not going to raise taxes on people that make less than $250,000. we should just take them out of discussion right now. continue to fight against any rate increases, continue to try to work honestly for a much bigger deal. >> congressman cole joins us shortly. a rock rib conservative. chair of the national republican congressional committee, and he's no longer a lone voice in the wilderness. the staunchly
house. president obama is adamant about protecting existing income tax rates for middle income earners and raising them on the wealthy. for the president the politics of this is very simple. he he ran on that issue and against republican obstructionism and won. if republicans don't relent on his issue, other fiscal cliff matters won't be discussed in the president's campaign to end the stalemate will continue. -election pond time since winning re-election, president obama welcomed the applause of hand-picked supporters and wa his calls tolicans not to ignore is calls to protect middle class households. >> it's time for us to work on >> reportel agreed to, which is allow eep middle class tax cuts for >> tax cuts for households that earn more than $250,000 to in a expire. increase.complicity and tax rate theyease. sted.hey're not interested. >> you're not going to grow the ou raiseif you raise tax rates on the top two rates. smalll hurt small businesses. econill hurt our economy. approach.y this is not the right r: toach. anythis impasse is one of many geithnerreasury secretary tim geith
at the numbers that obama uses. if you repeal the top tax rates you're supposed to make 800 billion. if you repeal the whole bill you're supposed to lose 4.5 trillion. it all went to the middle class. i got to challenge your facts on that. that went to the middle class. but do you think right now that there is a chance, i mean responding to what peter said, do you think that obama is going to cold shoulder the gop? here's why i'm saying this. let me just go one more thing. i think he's bluffing. i think the last thing in the world obama wants is a stalemate that will lead to all the taxes going up. all of them. and will lead to a recession. >> disaster. >> then he would be herbert hoofer obama and his second term and legacy would be completely wrecked. that's why i think obama is bluffing and the gop needs to counter. >> there's a distinct philosophical differences obviously between the house majority, which peter was elected overwhelmingly in 2010 and resoundingly re-elected in 2012. across the country. they have a strong voice. they have a position. the american people have embraced. the
of texas said that a demand to raise rates on top earners is, and this is her quote "just the right thing to do." representative mike simpson of idaho told bloomberg news "it's pretty obvious that obama won the election and he promised he was going to raise tax on the wealthiest and he said while it may be unpalatable, there is enough sane people left to get it done." well, maybe there is hope afterall. joining me now from washington is republican strategist and author of the book "blackwards," ron christie. thank you so much for joining us inside "the war room" again. >> governor, it is nice to see you again. >> jennifer: all right. so do you think republicans have recovered from losing the election? >> well, i think we have. i think there's no question that although president obama got less of the popular vote than he did the last time around, his electoral college numbers went up. he won. but the other thing that i would say to you governor, is senate republicans, the american people voted for the status quo. they
rate at 52%. >>> forbes is out with its 2012 most powerful people lest. president obama held onto the top spot for the second straight year. the pope climbed two notches from last year and landed in fifth place. facebook ceo mark zuckerberg tumbled from the top ten all the way to number 25. former president bill clinton held on to last year's ranking at number 50. tonight on rock center watch brian williams sit down with apple ceo, tim cook, number 35 on the forbes list by the way. >>> finally, this is no joke. though it began as one on facebook, pizza hut in canada has sent more than 100 bottles of pizza scented perfume to facebook fans. the fragrance boasts top notes of freshly baked hand tossed dough. pepper reason ri? >> new york mayor cory booker lives on food stamps. >>> the nfl steps up with $1 million for jovan belcher's daughter. >>> high res images from space. it allows images of city lights, gas flares, aur rar ras, to be seen by the naked eye. >>> stories making news across america on this thursday. in washington state, a 35 year relationship was officially legitimized
deductions so the rich pay more anyway. it is looking more like obama is going to get both. he wants rates to go about not 39.6, and he wants to do something on deductions. he wants to go twice a year. what do you think? >> he wants a mix of things and what republicans will see as a compromise is keeping rates going not as high as originally thought, not quite 40% but keeping them lower and including some of those deductions but if obama got everything he wanted that would be $72,000 average on the top 1% households. dennis: senator harry reid said two days ago let's raise tax rates on the rich and that way we have gone without solving fiscal problems. that will raise $80 billion meaning only $1 trillion more to cut or find new revenue. this has not been discussed at all. what do you think? >> exactly right. to do serious long-term debt and deficit reduction you have to do entitlement reform. what this president is feeling is the popular sensibility is polls show the majority of americans don't even want to raise the age on medicare from 65 to 67 and they are using that so they don't have
of the public wants to do. so all obama is calling for is an increase on rates at the top and i think the republicans deep down know that that's where the people are because they've at least given signals they are prepared to raise those taxes. they are just not ready to do it the cleanest way, which is to top the rates. >> i think they know deep down the public is ready to do it. i also suspect they know deep down that a lot of what they are selling doesn't really meet the facts. for example, when eric cantor was doing a "60 minute "interview, "60 minutes" was exposing the gop's denial of the real reagan record. watch what happens when the far rights starts becoming confronted with facts. look at this. >> you know, your idol, as i've read, is ronald reagan. he compromised. >> he never compromised principles. >> well, he raised taxes. >> he also cut taxes. >> but he did compromise. >> that's not true. >> and at that point, cantor's press secretary yelled off camera saying what i was saying wasn't true. >> they are going to have to get real here, e.j. they are going to have to deal wit
of automatic spending cuts and tax increases could take effect january 1st. democrats moved by president obama and congressional republicans signaled they are willing to compromise on changing tax rates and spending reductions but the negotiations are moving very, very slowly. susan mcginnis is in washington with the latest. susan, good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning. the president is sending his top two negotiators to talk with lawmakers today about possible spending cuts. he's also getting ready to take his fiscal cliff message on the road. he'll try to convince the american people the best way to avoid the fiscal cliff is to extend the bush era tax cuts for the middle class. >> it's too important for washington to screw this up. >> reporter: president obama is putting pressure on congressional republicans and he's enlisting middle class americans in getting the gop to take action on taxes. >> when the american people speak loudly enough, lo and behold congress listens. >> reporter: tomorrow he'll host a campaign style event where he calls on lawmakers to extend the tax rates on f
, the president said he thinks republicans might be willing to agree to higher tax rates on the wealthy. mr. obama is introduced by the c.e.o. of boeing. >> we at the business roundtable are grateful to both the electricity -- for the engagement we have had with you and members of your team. listen, i know your team has really reached out significantly over the last few months to many people in this room. and i know personally from my work in the last three years on the export council that the outreach to us is again you inand we know you are seeking solutions that was outlined very sincerely this morning when we met with jack and the rest of the team. and i hope you get the same sense of purpose and commitment from us as we engage with you. there aren't a lot of wall flowers in here and eager for a two-way exchange nonetheless and hopefully your takeaway will be we can serve a useful purpose in the dialogue. mr. president, thank you again for joining us today. we would love to hear from you. [applause] >> good morning everybody. it is great to see all of you. many of you had a chance to see indiv
to compromise it out. you don't increase the rates as much as obama wants. you do some stuff on deductions and so-called loopholes that the republicans want. you create $1.2 trillion of revenue. you have a trillion dollars of savings from some stuff that happened already last year, do some stuff on defense, you could get the $4 trillion package that we need. it's not hard. you just have two sides that are so polarized, have dug themselves into such deep corners, and just seem unwilling to get out of them. >> it will get done. remember i told you that. >> from donnie's lips. >>> let's get to some of your charteds here because katty asked you what happens if we do go over the cliff. let's look at some of the real consequences. the uncertainty index is your first one. >> as i said, we don't know what happens, but there's a few indicators that give us a sense as to at least where people, business and the economy is at the moment. one interesting index that i came upon is called the uncertainty index. it's done by several economists where they attempt to incorporate the number of news stories t
of looking like they're defending, keeping the current tax rates for the wealthy. end of the day president obama is selling a simple message, i want to keep taxes low for middle-class americans and republicans look like -- i'm worried are in the position offiof ing -- looking as fe the don't care about middle class. >> joining us is the sage of capitol hill, boat shoe enthusiast and celebrity doppelganger, nbc's luke russert. >> good day. happy monday. >> thank you, luke. it's an exciting time on capitol hill my friend. i want to focus first on the gop. is the party coming together, coalescing around something, anything, relating to the fiscal cliff? >> well, i think they're coalescing around anything it's for speaker boehner to continue the negotiations and not give a single inch. the gop has done very well over the last few years is in the negotiations with president obama. they've held a hard line to the very end including during the debt limit where john boehner is allowed to say he got 98% of what he wanted. what you have to look for is the splinter that tom cole started last week, he
. president obama wants it to go back to the 20% rate. dividend taxes are on dividends that are paid out by companies. george w. bush wanted to follow parity, that they should be taxed at the same rate. what would happen when the tax rates expire, the capital gains rate would go up 20%. the dividend rate would go to 39.6%. there would be a big gap there. they want to maintain that parity and to find something between 15% and almost 40%. why is this a battle? guest: it is a big deal for the fight over income inequality. democrats have long targeted the capital gains tax as something that makes the tax code less regressive and increases in a quality. a lot of wealthy people make money through investments. it is a big issue for corporations and investors who feel corporations are already taxed and you're essentially putting another tax. host: who pays the capital gains tax? guest: if you buy a stock and make money, you are paying it. it tends to hit upper income earners more. anybody in the stock market will be paying that. host: if your pensions are 401(k), are you paying it? guest: it wil
are still miles apart. we spoke with gop senator john cornyn about president obama's plans too tax hikes. talking about increasing taxes, letting the tax rate go up on people making over $250,000 a year. as i understand it, that's about $85 billion a year, funding the government for eight days. $85 billion is a lot of money, but if you look at government waste, even senator tom coburn has identified $20 billion in waste. has anybody thought about getting the revenue from waste, seeing just how much we really need? >> the problem has usually been if you rdise taxes, the spending cuts will come later, and they never seem to manifest. >> greta: but not even spending cuts. actually waste. >> well, yeah, waste and fraud and abuse are the famous three horsemen of cuts. but the fact is that many times they're harder to get to it would afternoon. i think tom coburn has done a great service by identifying a lot of duplication and waste in the government, including in the pentagon. i'm a defense hawk, but the pentagon needs to do a better job when it comes to handling the people's money too. you c
that create jobs, they are in the 2% of small businesses. they would pay higher rates that president obama is proposing. it would be a direct hit on job creation. and over and talk about raising tax rates at the top, it is not because we are worried about whether the rich can buy an extra vote. we are worried about their ability to invest in the economy. host: let's hear from mary in topeka, kansas. caller: i had a couple of comments. and then maybe let them answer. one, a republican, but i guess i'm not a very loyal one because at this point, between the republicans and the democrats, i am totally fed up with what comes across on the national news. both sides seem to be spinning the truth into lies for their own political gain. we need a solution that is not 25 years away. but i do not know how it is going to be done when the president -- and as far as i can see, he has not even sat down for a talk that lasts more than an hour or so. he has other people doing is talking and expects the republicans to try to make a deal. you cannot make a deal with a third party and then have a first party
obama won, maybe got to give them a little bit of room on rates. >> all right, robert costa, we'll see how this whole thing turns out. now let's break down today's market action. the dow popped. unfortunately, apple dropped. the dow jones was up 83 points. apple fell about 6.5%. here now to help us break it down, danielle hughes, ceo of divine capital markets. it's very interesting to me. fiscal cliff or not, china, europe, whatever, the s&p 500 up 12.1% year to date. that is a good year. that is an optimistic year. why is that? >> it seems like we're forgetting about that, doesn't it? with all this talk about what's happening going forward and concern about corporate growth. and truly, we're concerned about corporate growth as well because there really hasn't been that long-term information from our government, from our policyholde policyholders, no economic policy in real investment in assets that we've seen. that's going to be a problem going forward, not to mention the global slowdown, and we're hitting the top of corporate profits now. >> so you don't agree with this. you're turni
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on the fact we're not going to raise the rates on anybody at any point. and what the obama administration has made very clear is it's got to be tax rate. well, the republicans are saying, doesn't have to be the tax rate. you can come up with other money closing loopholes and deductions and stuff like that. so right now it's just a dance, somebody's got -- the republicans have to come up with a formal offer. >> gretchen: i was going to say, they don't have a plan. >> steve: we've heard the president's plan. it's crazy, according to the republicans. now it's time for the republicans to come out with a plan and then have the democrats say, no, that's crazy. >> gretchen: one thing is for sure, nobody is going to get everything that they want. that's just the way it is, i think, in this very difficult situation. both sides are going to have to compromise. >> brian: i think the rolling stones sang about satisfaction and you can't always get it. >> steve: you can't get no. >> brian: we'll go over that and maybe sing it. costco is a company in which the president always leans on the ceo, the guy in c
on the top 2 percent of wealthiest americans. the american people overwhelmingly disagree. the rates have to rise and republicans need to acknowledge that. >> the major difference between the two sides is over taxing on the rich. obama wants to raise taxes on the wealthy. obama wants to eliminate deductions and close loopholes plus cut spending for entitlement programs. the president has said there can't be tax cuts for the rich at the expense of the domestic program which is frustrating for some republicans. >> this president, i think the president with president obama he's a small minded president in big times. he is talking about 35 verses 39.6 for people who make over a million dollars. that doesn't get us out of debt. >> both sides will be taking their plan to the public this week they will meet with governors for state business he's meeting with the governors today. john boehner will be with governors plus conduct rallies with small business owners. we don't know if these two sides are going to reach an agreement any time soon and the fiscal cliff is past approaching. >> thank you v
to the country's credit rating in the new year. each day toward the fiscal cliff is also another day closer to the country maxing out on its borrowing limit. president obama talked to business leaders today. >> the only thing that the debt ceiling is good for as a weapon is to destroy your credit rating. >> reporter: he's worried republicans may re newsto raise the country's debt ceiling to get their way on spending cuts and risk defaulting on the country's loans. >> that is a bad strategy for america. it's a bad strategy for your businesses. and it is not a game that i will play. >> reporter: republicans are pushing back. >> he's the president, not the emperorer. >> reporter: fiscal cliff negotiations have been at a stand still since monday when republicans proposed raising revenue by closing tax loopholes, not by raising rates on the rich as the president has insisted. >> we're not insisting rates just out of spite, but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. >> we can't just keep borrowing money, raising taxes, and expecting the problem to go away. >> reporter: house
from kentucky talk about how obama had raised her taxes. she has gone more tax breaks since obama was president -- she pays a lower rate than she did for the past 60 years. guest: in terms of the retroactive applica
and the president's remains taxes and how the government can generate more revenue to pay down the debt. >> rates have to rise on the top 2%. there's no other way to do it. >> reporter: president obama says his plan will raise taxes on the rich, bringing in $1.6 trillion. republicans want to close tax loopholes and eliminate deductions, which they say will raise $800 billion in new revenue. >> the president has a huge responsibility to work together with congress and find a solution to avert the fiscal cliff. >> reporter: and they say it's now up to the president to find a plan that can pass both chambers of congress. so now that each side has rejected the other's first offer, it's going to be interesting and important to watch the timing of the next offer on the part of the white house to really try to figure out, terrell, how far both sides are willing to take us toward that cliff. >> and which side has the edge at this point. susan mcginnis in washington this morning. thank you so much. >>> iran says this morning it's captured a united states drone flying over iranian air space. the drone was
holding the pen when he wrote, "i will not raise rates" in that letter he sent to president obama. but the problem is, we can agree or disagree with the president's position. i honestly take the president at his word. i do not believe there will be a deal here without some increase in tax rates for the top 2%. it doesn't have to be all of it, but some of it. i think the president has changed his tune a bit from the way he's handled some of these other negotiations. and take everything you say and turn it around. boehner and the republicans have to be aware of where obama's at in his own head and with his colleagues, which is no deal without some increase in rates, or we go over the cliff. >> let me just add one thing. when obama made that initial offer, we talked a little bit about how, you know, it was a wish list. it was ideological, whatever you want to say. i think it actually helped boehner in some respects because it gave him three or four things that he could then go back to his caucus and say, look, i moved obama off of this, this and this. and when boehner put his offer o
that doesn't involve those rates going up on the top 2% of the wealthiest americans. remember it's only 2%. >> geithner adds the obama administration is, quote, absolutely prepared to go off the cliff, if necessary. joining me now is van jones, cnn contributor and former obama administration official. good morning. >> god morning to you. >> so, van, i guess my first question that's eatsy for geithner to say, we're perfectly willing to go off the fiscal cliff. that means a tax hike on middle class americans and maybe some of them are thinking this morning i'm not really so happy geithner said that. >> it might have been inartful for him to say it the way he said it. i think he is making a very important point, which is that the american people did vote. they voted for the one thing the president said very clearly, which is that tax rates would go up on the wealthiest. it's an incredibly popular position. it's important for republicans to know that the white house is not going to accept any kind of a deal. that's the point he was trying to make. i think all the leverage now is with the demo
worth having, but as a rule, the lower the rate, the better for investment, the better for job growth. in terms of medicare and medicaid, you will see for upper-income under obama-care, that has been done. if you make over $250,000, if you will pay a tax. -- you will pay a tax to fund that thing. the democrats and an enormously new program that has $600 billion of taxes over a decade that are beginning to kick in. if you go to a tanning salon, if you buy a wheelchair, there will be taxes, and if you are a high- income investor, you will already hit with taxes. host: are those of included and budget proposals? guest: we think some of these things should be open for negotiation, but we lost the election, so the president will not do a full repeal. having said that, there are areas we have worked on before, trying to get rid of 1099 forms, and democrats said that was a dumb idea, and the president signed that repeal. we will continue to work, but this thing is a backer fiscally for the country or the next decade and that will become progressively more evident. host: linda. your honor wit
, closing loopholes and not raising rates. >> right. basically the republicans came up with what obama said in 2011. he wanted, there was discussion dealing with $1.2 trillion and he said we don't have to increase tax rates. we can close loopholes. we can cap deductions. that is what the republicans are offering. but right now defend again i think democrats are bent on increasing taxes and if woe don't avert the fiscal cliff, i believe republicans will take the hit politically. jon: the president in september of 2011 said, you know, in his principles for tax reform, lower tax rates, the tax system should be simplified and work for all americans with lower individual and corporate rates and fewer brackets. now it sounds like exactly what the republican side has offered here? >> it is. what they're offering but basically to reach a comprehensive deal so we can put this debt on a downward turn, and actually create a stronger economy. both sides, the democrats and republicans are going to have to give a little bit now. republicans might have to give in to some type of tax increase but president
? >> well, i just think the parties are too far apart. if president obama wants republicans to agree not only to allow the top tax rates to go up, but also put a new millionaire surtax, new stimulus funding, there's no way republicans do that without many entitlement reform. i think the democrats are prepared to allow, and that's why i just think that i agree with the congressman. i think that we are likely not to get a deal before the beginning of the year. >> but do you think it was a senator lindsey graham indicated there at the beginning, do you think it was a political calculation or is a political calculation on the part of the white house? >> well, i think there are political calculations being made by everybody in washington right now, but i don't think it's a secret that the democrats believe, in a lot of cases, that they have the upper hand in the p.r. war over this issue. >> perry, this is grover norquist just a few hours ago on "meet the press." take a listen. >> every republican who had impure thoughts about maybe i could raise taxes a little because the other guys will
on my taxes i promise. obama would have caught me by now. look at his proposal, 1.6 trillion tax cut. increase rates on the wealthy only. new stimulus program 150 billion. and he wants a blank cheque that. is not a serious proposal bob. >> it is not. you talk to people in the real world, not in washington, but in the real world, they say the numbers and how this is done, i don't give a damn. i just want them to fix it. what the republicans should do is say these are the things we are going to fix. these are the numbers and this is our proposal. >> sean: wait a minute, i don't think you are being fair in one sense. the republicans said to the chagrin of a lot of conservatives that revenue is on the table. obama has said, my way or the highway. his proposal, his budget plan that nobody voted for last year. >> yes and he's asking for more revenue on the debt ceiling he's saying abolish congress' authority to borrow. i want the authority to be in the white house for -- >> sean: obama not leading again. >> it is a giant problem. i am surprised he is out there treating this like a campaign
republicans get, the republicans get the tax rates they want, the medicare cuts they want, the trillion dollars in spending cuts president obama agreed to, hundreds of billions in additional cuts, ending the payroll tax break, ending jobless benefits and they get the opportunity to create a new debt ceiling crisis in a few months. that's on the republican side, what the republicans get in their proposal. what do the democrats get in their proposal? they get this. a promise to end undefined tax deductions and loopholes of some kind at some point maybe next year. ta da! a fair and balanced middle ground. >> unfortunately, the speaker's proposal right now is still out of balance. >> yes. balance. here's the amazing part, though. after congressional republicans released their plan yesterday, which gives them everything they want and promises democrats that they might get something undefined that they might want maybe some time in the future. we'll talk about it later. after they put forth that sweet deal, this was the reaction from the beltway's conservative class. this is genius. sadly, th
and they reset the rates -- the lady from kentucky talk about how obama had raised her taxes. she has gotten more tax breaks since obama was president -- she pays a lower rate than she did for the past 60 years. guest: in terms of the retroactive application --there is a possibility we could come back in january and say we will reinstate those tax rates for everybody except those people making more than $250,000. host: we have about 30 seconds. the likelihood these credits will be reduced. guest: it will be a crapshoot. host: steven sloan from politico. walking in the other series about what may be affected because of the fiscal cliff. [captioning performed by national captioning institute] [captions copyright national cable satellite corp. 2012] >> president obama spoke about the fiscal cliff today. later in the day, house speaker john boehner responded to the president's comments. you can both of them starting at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span. tomorrow came a memorial service for warren rudman who died earlier this month. we will hear remarks from vice- president joe biden and several others as t
and democrats in congress to hold tax cuts hostage because they don't want tax rates to go up on upper income folks. >> reporter: mr. obama's opening bid includes $1.6 trillion in new revenue. half from higher rates in the wealthy. cuts in medicare and $50 billion in new infrastructure spending. when tim geithner laid out the plan for mitch mcconnell, aides on both sides said mcconnell burst out in laughing. house republicans offered a somber assessment. >> this is not a game. >> it was not a serious proposal. and right now, we're almost nowhere. >> reporter: lester, there is the inside game in washington and the outside game of public pressure that the president is trying to apply. he continues both of those this week. he meets with governors at the white house and more business ceos trying to get congress to move the votes in the house of representatives and get something done before january 1st. lester. >> mike, thanks so much. >>> still to come, charges dismissed against the u.s. open tennis ref who is accused of killing her husband. why the court decided to drop the case. >>> and discoun
of that would be a refusal by republicans to accept the rates that are going to have to go up on wealthiest americans. i don't really see them doing that. >> nbc news white house correspondent, mike viquiera joining me now. treasury secretary timothy geithner, president obama's point man in these fiscal cliff negotiations, ran the gauntlet this morning. he appeared on all five sunday talk shows, including "meet the press" of course, what else did he say? >> craig, you know if we're in the posturing stage and a lot of people think we're still in the posturing stage with, 29 or 30 days to go. we better hope that they're just posturing, because after the period of optimism, the post-election talk of compromise, you remember john boehner came out the day after the election, the president spoke about compromise as well. they're as far apart as they ever have been and the clock is ticking. what timothy geithner said is as follows, nothing is going to get done unless republicans agree to raise rates on the wealthiest 2% of americans we know the figure by now. those couples filing jointly making mo
in the top 2% tax rate. --wasn't ended the year deal it was an end-of-the-year deal. the obama administration was looking for the stimulus measure. they thought it would be hard for republicans to oppose a tax cuts. host: the money rigidly was going where -- the money originally was going where? guest: going to the social security trust >> we take you live now to the u.s. capitol and house speaker john boehner. >> the president has warned us about the dangers of going over the fiscal cliff. but his actions have not matched his public statements. momings of his own party seem quite comfortable on sending the economy over the fiscal cliff. two weeks ago we had a very productive conversation at the white house. based on where we stand today i would say two things. first, despite the claims that the president supports a balanced approach, the democrats have yet to get serious about real spending cuts. and secondly, no substantive progress has been made in the talks between the white house and the house over the last two weeks. this is not a game. jobs are on the line. the american economy is on t
's been their holy grail from day one. so they need to realize the election is over, president obama is not messing around. he's not playing chicken. he's laid down his requirements. he wants these rates on the wealthiest americans raised. there is no other way to generate any significant income through deductions or any of the other restructuring they've suggested without also impacting the middle class. so -- or letting the very wealthiest americans get out scot-free. it doesn't touch somebody who is making 10 million a year or $20 million a year. they're just trying to avoid anything that's going to raise these rates and it's a mystery when 60% at least of the american people think that's an appropriate way to help balance the deficit. >> now, speaker boehner keeps telling us that he's put revenues on the table in form of closing loopholes, but democrats have not offered anything in terms of those earned entitlements. now, i know you said earlier that these are not connected issues, but are you and your colleagues willing to give any ground in terms of cuts, say, to medicare, medi
. during the campaign the smartphone super pac app provided fact checking information and let viewers rate political ads. which ad came out on top? for the democratic governor's association think obama care pants on fire and yosemite sam. here it is. >> not going to be a part of again socializing health care in the state of texas. ♪ >> the ipb, what that is will be a board that will tell you, bob, whether your level of productivity is worthy of receiving the rationed care that will be the result of obama care. ♪ >> anyway, the ad that got the most votes in the fail category was the one called join the fight to repeal obama care from conservative super pac restore america's voice. >>> finally, this week in conspiracy world, it's texas congressman louie gohmert and this sugar plum about how the obama administration is in cahoots with the muslim brotherhood. here he is in a radio interview with neocon frank gaffney. >> i think it almost makes a prima facie case when you look at the decisions made by this administration over the last couple of years, or actually all four years, but you loo
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